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Poster: Video-Cellar Date: Jun 25, 2010 3:57pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

As far as I can tell Tulsa is PD. With such a massive lists of movies I probably just copied it to the wrong section of the list. It sometimes happens.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jun 26, 2010 5:32am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

That's understandable. It must be quite time-consuming to look up a list of titles in books. I make my computer do the work for me (using the text from HathiTrust.)

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jun 23, 2010 8:36am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

Video-Cellar doesn't show the renewal notice.

Alpha Video sells it. Almost everything they sell is p.d.

I can't find a renewal at HathiTrust.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Jun 23, 2010 10:50am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

1) Video-Cellar doesn't show the renewal notice.

You're right, but in that link I provided he clearly claims it is in copyright. Right?

2) Alpha Video sells it. Almost everything they sell is p.d.

The "almost everything" part is what interests me--as I don't really know much about all this. But I have observed that certain sellers of PD material often offer lots of "lower grade" movies that are definitely not PD. Are they buying up the rights cheaply, or perhaps they are just gaming the system? I don't know. But because Alpha offers it doesn't say yea or nay on "Tulsa," IMHO. Else we could just use their catalog in lieu of genuine copyright records.

3) I can't find a renewal at HathiTrust.

Maybe, then, it is PD.

Nothing here is easy. Let me make a far-ranging caveat by saying that in the country I'm from (USA), a hired lawyer will claim with documents and a straight face that the moon is green cheese and belongs to one Wade Williams. I do appreciate the efforts of many contributors here to clarify PD issues. It's a wiggly world.

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Poster: HektorT Date: Jun 23, 2010 4:31pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

>>Nothing here is easy. Let me make a far-ranging caveat by saying that in the country I'm from (USA), a hired lawyer will claim with documents and a straight face that the moon is green cheese and belongs to one Wade Williams. I do appreciate the efforts of many contributors here to clarify PD issues. It's a wiggly world.<<

I'm American too and i can't get my lawyers to say anything straight up. It's more like the moon is green cheese, but sometimes green cheese looks like green cheese but it really isn't. So you shouldn't let anybody eat it in your house without a disclosure.

Anyway, on the subject of Public Domain in the US even judges don't agree on many things. So our job here is just to cover the basics. Like, if there is no renewal for a pre 1964 film, and there are no underlying rights, then it is most likely PD.

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Poster: picfixer Date: Jun 25, 2010 9:11am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

Pointless historical anecdote: "Tulsa" was the first movie I recorded on my first VCR, a 50 lb top-loader. The second was "Sinbad the Sailor" (1947).


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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 25, 2010 9:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

We had a local TV station that ran a lot of old westerns and horror films, and I taped many of them on my first Betamax machine. Virtually all of those same old movies are now here on the IA. Good thing, because I used crappy blank tapes ("PD Magnetics" from DuPont, anyone remember that brand?), and they all went to hell in under 5 years.

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Poster: cosmico Date: Jun 23, 2010 11:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

Wade Williams owns every sci-fi b-movie ever made, doncha know? ;)

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Jun 24, 2010 11:56pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

God! Not that name again! Good ol' WWIII! AAAUUGH!

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jun 23, 2010 11:29am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Tulsa Isn't PD

) You're right, but in that link I provided he clearly claims it is in copyright. Right?

Claiming doesn't prove anything. He needs to show the renewal notice.

I always do.